suleiman has said unequivocally that the president will not step down. president obama said he must stay in office in order to steer changes through. it appears that president mubarak is going to stay. what happens next? >> well, fareed, i think this is onlyi i continuing the sta continuing the stand-off. i think the people are very clear that mubarak has to retire, in dignity but he has to go. there's a huge question of credibility. people have no credibility, if he doesn't leave, the regime would retrench and then come back with vengeance. and you hear different voices. very clear he should go. frank wisner came with this statement saying that mubarak must stay which created a lot of confusion, lot of disappointment, i should say to you here in egypt. people who are very happy with barack obama's statement that the time is now. mubarak will be stubborn but it's not really a person of issue, it's an issue of the country. people want to see a new regime and mubarak to step down is a clear indication that we are on the throes of the second republic, if you like. unless he does that, we wi